Forget about it. First of all you'll NEVER get to see the dealer's invoice and, Second, even if you somehow managed to get to see it, there are no"negotiations"on price for a new Harley Davidson. The dealer's attitude is ( and rightly so ) you want a Genuine Harley Davidson ? THIS is the price, take it or leave it. If you can't afford that price or don't want to pay that price then you should consider a Metric"look alike". Trust me when I tell you that NO saavy consumer tactic will work at a Harley dealership, ( Think in terms of going to Ferrari and trying to"haggle"with the sales person there ), in either case, the salesperson won't lose a moment of sleep if you don't buy.